Biju John; ” so that means according …
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Biju John; ” so that means according to some of you guys, oral tradition of knanayas are forged and St Thomas tradition is perfect right? ”
First up of all you have to give some evidences on calling knanayas. There was no community called knanayas till 20th century. Do you know when you guys started claiming urself knanayas ?
That was not about oral tradition of thekkumbhagor. That was about a forgery done by thekkumbhagor. Two plates awarded to Mar Sapor and Mar Prodh who were part of the northist community went missing during Portuguese custody. Later on we hear that, this two plates which were missing were thekkumbhagor plates and in 18th and 19th century when proper translation was not available of Quilon plates, thekkumbhagor faked the contents of Quilon plates recorded earlier and started claiming it was translation of their missing plate. In 20th century this forged claims reached its zenith and it attracted the attention of some scholars and they ridiculed the claims . Some fanatic hindu websites even today makes fun of this forgery. As usual the thekkumbhagor response always lacks self respect.
Biju John; “What proof do you have to say that St.Thomas came to kerala and converted your ancestors? ”
Don’t have time and space to write in detail. It is not something which started in 20th century. You can read the writings of early church fathers.
Biju John; ” I would say that St.Thomas didnt convert your ancestors and the syriac christianity that you see in kerala now is formed by our forefathers (knai thomman and his group). ”
knai thomman ( if he ever ) came to Malabar at the end of first century. What is this knai thomman and group ?
It is a legend claimed by both Northist and Southists, which lacks recorded evidences.
Biju John; ” use this simple theory to understand the origin of Knanayas: ”
What you have written is historical blunder. Do read up history books !
Biju John; ” White Jews created a subcommunity called black Jews and they mostly are with black skin compared to pure blooded white Jews. ”
When did White Jews arrive in Kerala ?
The Paradesi Jews or White Jews originally came mainly from the Middle East and Europe. Predominantly from nations such as Holland and Spain, and they even came bringing with them the Ladino language. They are sometimes called White Jews refers to relatively recent Jewish immigrants (15th Century onward).
Biju John; ” Namboothiris created Nair community. ”
History is not like Veltuthedath dhobi story. Do read up.
Biju John; ” Similarly, Knanaya community dictated the direction of Christianity in India. ”
Thekkumbhagor got a Jacobite bishopric in Chingavanam only 1910 and a Catholic bishopric in Kottayam after much politics in 1911. With just a history of 300 years how did they dictated the direction of Christianity in India.
Biju John; ” Immigrant communities are small in numbers, see the statistics below: ”
Who took the count ? Most of the figures are imagination.
This is from the sensus report of Kerala Government on community wise population of scheduled tribes in kerala. If they ever wish to use thekkumbhagor imagination what can they claim .
Adiyan = 10208
Arandan = 119
Eravallan = 2071
Hill Pulaya = 3092
Irular, Irulan = 18698
Kadar = 1882
Kammara = 104
Kanikkaran = 13724
In 300 years if some one claim that the people we see in Ranni, Kaduthuruty and Uzhavor are Paradesi Jews, we have to belive that before 1000 years they were monkeys.
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