Apostle Letters, Early Reference, Indian Tradition, Thomas the Apostle

George, You are a pure idiot. I don’t know …

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Comment posted Letters of St. Thomas the Apostle to Edessa from India by John Mathew.

George,

You are a pure idiot. I don’t know what’s in your head; it seems you have quite a few preconceptions about many things, and that informs your paranoia. And you have some big chips on your shoulder. Good luck in defeating these obvious illnesses of the mind.

Hell, I never even brought up Brahmin heritage (a silly idea, that I reject for many reasons beyond the scope of this discussion)!

You’ve talked to dozens of Middle Eastern Christians eh? Great — what stunning research George! Perhaps the dozens you talked to were actual Arab Orthodox — that is, Arab follows of the Greek Orthodox Church. Arab Christian refers to *that* community. Anyways, I dismiss this idiotic research, since I have actual researchers at my disposal (I’ve cited them countless times).

The term Archdeacon is not a term invented by the Portuguese. In the ancient Christian Churches, there is an actual position called an Archdeacon. I’ll leave it to you to, one day, discover this for yourself.

George, you are promoting fantasies based on your own vision of the ways things should be. I responded to a few of your postings to counter the obvious distortions. I think I’ve done enough now, so that the readers can go and look for themselves to discover the actual facts.

If you’d just shut up and read for a moment, you’d realize that I’m not claiming we do not have Jewish heritage in terms of ancestry. The various genetics results speak for themselves, and I have no reason to doubt such evidence. To be clear: some of the members of our community have pure patriarchal Cohen ancestry. And through intermarriage, I’m sure every member of our community has a little bit of Aaron’s dna in them.

What I *am* saying is that (again, George, shut your useless chattering mind, and try to read this to absorb it): there is no evidence that the Nasranis in Kerala followed Judaism. That is, I’m separating *genes* from *creed*. That is all. A very simple idea, George, and since you’re a simpleton, you should be able to absorb it.

All reports of our community indicate Nestorianism in historical times (note: I’m not trying to save my Church, whatever that means; the Nestorians were the opposite of what my Orthodox Church stands for, in Christological terms on the surface, at least). Our oldest artifacts are Christian.

None of the DNA results can override the fact that there are no ancient monuments to Judaism in Kerala that predate the available Christian monuments, and that the oldest markers of any Semitic religion in Kerala are those of the Pahlavi-speaking Persian Christians. Even Pakallomattom, with their J2-Cohen lineage, have never been aware of their Cohen ancestry, at least according to anything I’ve seen. That totally shatters your idiotic oil-and-water premise — no one even knew who was Cohen and who wasn’t, for there to have been a conflict!

Moreover, there’s no evidence for any split community of Christians due to any purported Cohen/non-Cohen divide. The only splits we know of:
a) the geographical divide between various groups (Kollam vs. Kunnumkulam vs. the far, far south)
b) possible Manichaeans and paganish quasi-Christians (Kayamkulam, Kadamattom, the far south)
c) the Southist/Northist divide (which also doesn’t involve any reference to Cohen)

I have no problem with Judaism, or even Jewish genetic origins. Why should I? I’ve not been tested, but I know my family is an offshoot of Pakallomattom and so am reasonably confident I would have the same result as the other Pakallomattoms; big deal! I’m not serving as a partisan of the Orthodox Church either, since none of the facts I’ve dug up defend the Orthodox Church (i.e., I know that the Orthodox Church in Kerala starts in the 17th century with Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel). I’m not serving as a partisan supporter of the CoE either — I have no interest in defending a Church which, for all intents and purposes, squandered its legacy by engaging in nepotism and idiotic disputes.

I want facts and history. And since the oldest archeological evidence supports the Christian theory, I’ll stand by it. Why? Because the genetic evidence does not indicate *CREED*, it only indicates *ANCESTRY*.

One more thing: I almost forgot … the Jewish Christians (whatever you want to call them) were *not* Trinitarian Christians (a fact, go and find out for yourself). But the Pahlavi Cross inscriptions (our oldest piece of evidence) are definitely Trinitarian. That means, not only were the Nasranis in Kerala Christian — they were *NOT* Jewish Christians.