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Comment posted Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by varghese mani.

looks to me that this poor chap had gone for some marital alliance with some Nasrani family and got rejected. Apologies if this isnt the case. Anyway to me it looks like you have been taken over by emotions.

Dear Convertji,
You have mistaken the objective of the discussions here as Mr.Suriyaniji says. We are simply trying to trace our origins and preserve our culture and traditions, and to preserve our identity (which you are critical of).
If you or any of your friends have had some bitter experience, it is because many among us are very orthodox, especially in choosing bride/groom.

Reasons -

1. Second commandment reads “You shall have no other gods beside Me. You shall not make for yourself any graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I, the Lord Your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation”.

Now, a convert is coming from a family who were serving an idol/another god other than YHWH. There fore the wrath of god may be up on him/her and their coming generations (note that this is the physical punishment only, no soul would be condemned for the sin of another – “The fathers eat the sour grapes, But the children’s teeth are set on edge) in accordance with the 2nd commandment and the Nasranis werent/arent brave enough to risk this.

2. Even though the Nasranis were Christians by faith (I doubt), our culture was Hindu. This means Manusmriti forms the foundation of our social behaviour. In addition to casteism, we also observe the strict marriage rules, and it is a shame for the entire family (not just immediate family), if a person marries outside the community, especially when marrying lower.

Now in Manusmriti marriages with blood relatives is strictly prohibited (Nasrani’s do not marry from the same clan – i.e family name. Also marriage with any other blood relative is not allowed for 7degrees of relationship). Apart from Nambuthiris and Nasranis no other community in Kerala observed these laws. Therefore marriage and alliance with such persons, even after conversion is not allowed. In addition to Manusmriti, 6th Law of Noah is also about this.

Now a days people are more open to marriage from converts ( with Latin Catholics and CSI christians).
Still majority of the community are orthodox in this matter. Believe me, many among us wont seek alliance outside the community, regardless of their (proposing family’s) wealth or glory, be it the Children of Mukesh Ambani.

I am open to any discussions on any matters – be it about faith, caste.. anything, just as you said.
But now, before criticising find time to read the articles posted and the also teh objectives of this forum.

Also to your knowledge – Nasranis werent living on handouts from anyone, nor were at anyone’s mercy. Also we dont consider anyone to be above us in anyting – caste, creed, religion.. anything, so please dont issue veiled threats, in the name of some hindus/uppercaste convers/ dalit converts etc.. These are futile (In malayalam there is a saying – Vedikkettukarane Udukkukotti Pedippikkaruthu which translates to ‘dont try to frighten a firework contractor by beating somekind of small drum, used in temples. )

You dont need to reply to this anyway, but please go through your own postings and check if there was any racist/supermacist tone in it.
Have a good day.